Review of SP411

[L8guy]

Firstly, this is not a rant about SP411. I have no first hand knowledge and am not aware of the inner workings of the site. Secondly, my personal needs or rather desires in reading the forum have lately been coming up very short and unsatisfactory.

I am clearly a rather newly approved person but not new to this site or other sites to remain nameless. Before approval, I contributed through PM's wherever I could add something to the general knowledge. Since then, I contribute when I can be helpful.

While I do understand the needs a business requires to sustain itself (that being profit), I have become somewhat put-off by what I see happening. A person was trying to get a Gang Bang (something I am not into) rolling, and immediately "Big Brother" (or Sister) entered the thread and made a comment how rather than trying to get a GB going that included a woman that was not an advertiser, that person would be better served paying the woman's advertising fee, and then the thread was closed period.

Clearly this a YMMV thing and every person is entitled to do what is comfortable (or lucrative) for them. However, what is evident to me in my short time here is that I am seeing fewer and fewer of the reviews from the various reviewers in the past that contributed and I am seeing more and more closed threads then ever before.

While the people in charge should be commended for how they cleaned up what was morphing into what could be described as the 'wild west', it seems that the end result of this clean-up is also the loss of some, if not many, of the fair and honest contributors of the past. I actually have no proof of this 'fair and honest' statement other than when a person I was acquainted with was reviewed, the review was very much what I had experienced as well.

The fact that a person here was trying to get some fellow hobbiests together for a GB is no reason to close the thread because a 'non advertiser's' name was mentioned. Personally, on this particular issue, I really don't care, but what happened and what is happening (or not happening) is more at issue.

The owners of this site have probably set up their business model and believe that the end result of the draconian measures that they are taking will result in a profitable business. Maybe so. However, there is at least one other possibility and that is that the draconian measures that are taken could end up with the valued and free contributors stopping their contributions (which has already taken place) and result in their leaving in droves (which may actually be taking place). Should this happen, would it be worth my advertising dollars (if I was a SP) to advertise here?

Aside from the banner ad at the top of the forum page, I personally have never seen any supposed ads from the advertisers. There may be a page for that, but who looks ..... I haven't as yet. So what do I get for my bucks as an advertiser? I guess all I get is that my name can be mentioned to what may end up being fewer and fewer times and/or reviews. Is that called a depreciating return on my investment?

My stats for this encounter:

Appearance: 9/10 (site looks good visually)
Value: 5/10 (looks like diminishing returns to me)
Satisfaction: 4/10 (lately nothing here is satisfying)
Price: 10/10 (since it is free)
Repeat: yes, if only to see if the business plan actually works or will there be wholesale changes)

[Terry43]

I am the one who started the thread which you mentioned, and I agree with what the moderator did. I didn't realize that point of view until it was pointed out to me. I have apologized and wont do it again. I can see why they would rather have their own paid advertisers mentioned in getting business. They do not limit which sp's you can review, but can understand they would rather you set up business for those that do business with them. I should also point out that I was not intentionally trying to advertise for her, just wanted to be part of something that has been a fantasy of mine for many years, with someone that I find enjoyable.

[big-n-thick]

It is getting to the point of silliness on here madam peacekeeper telling people they have a bad attitude, if a girl even so much as posts any kind of a reply the thread is closed.

I understand the need to make money and turn a profit and if a girl comes on and says I'm so and so and my rates are x and call me at then by all means shut her down

But when she is doing nothing more than just joining a conversation, back off your greed is starting to turn people off. If a girl wants to come on and chat so be it, but the strong arm attitude is just getting rude and unacceptable. it has come clear to everyone that a female cannot join this board and participate in any conversations unless she is a paid advertiser that's just wrong, and if she does they just close the thread whether she is advertising or just participating in the conversation which seems to be the case most times, and getting involved in a thread where a guy is trying to organise a gang bang for himself so he can fulfill his fantasy give me a break. I have just one question isn't that what this board is all about

I'm sorry but if you think you are going to make it rich off of running this board you made a really bad business investment and if you continue with the strong arm attitude you will just drive everyone away and along with it your profits.

But hey that is just my point of view let’s hear what other people think.

speak your mind are you pro or con and be honest it is the only way to produce change and ensure that you are satisfied with the service you are receiving

[hard to tame]

Good read, nice work L8guy

The other board has turned into a ghost town and both boards search engine seems to have a selective memory lately.
A business has to make money and it easy for a "friend" to sign up and do some free advertising, girls shill themselves all the time.
By closing the thread but not deleting the thread the issue can`t go any further but the information is still available. ( This is fair to expect )
If the non advertiser`s name was used after the fact then it would not have been closed but before the event it is advertising.

The strong arm attitude can be a pain but it is a fact that too often people here like to start shit and be unnecessarily rude.

My question would be has any one seen a positive review of a non paying lady be deleted or a negative review of a paying advertiser be deleted for no obvious reason?

[Terry43]

I am sure that if I had said that I had a woman in mind who was up for it, they wouldn't of had a problem. The days of the internet being for free exchange of ideas and ideals is long gone. Gotta get used to it.

[Sammy2121]

Firstly, this is not a rant about SP411. I have no first hand knowledge and am not aware of the inner workings of the site. Secondly, my personal needs or rather desires in reading the forum have lately been coming up very short and unsatisfactory.

I am clearly a rather newly approved person but not new to this site or other sites to remain nameless. Before approval, I contributed through PM's wherever I could add something to the general knowledge. Since then, I contribute when I can be helpful.

While I do understand the needs a business requires to sustain itself (that being profit), I have become somewhat put-off by what I see happening. A person was trying to get a Gang Bang (something I am not into) rolling, and immediately "Big Brother" (or Sister) entered the thread and made a comment how rather than trying to get a GB going that included a woman that was not an advertiser, that person would be better served paying the woman's advertising fee, and then the thread was closed period.

Clearly this a YMMV thing and every person is entitled to do what is comfortable (or lucrative) for them. However, what is evident to me in my short time here is that I am seeing fewer and fewer of the reviews from the various reviewers in the past that contributed and I am seeing more and more closed threads then ever before.

While the people in charge should be commended for how they cleaned up what was morphing into what could be described as the 'wild west', it seems that the end result of this clean-up is also the loss of some, if not many, of the fair and honest contributors of the past. I actually have no proof of this 'fair and honest' statement other than when a person I was acquainted with was reviewed, the review was very much what I had experienced as well.

The fact that a person here was trying to get some fellow hobbiests together for a GB is no reason to close the thread because a 'non advertiser's' name was mentioned. Personally, on this particular issue, I really don't care, but what happened and what is happening (or not happening) is more at issue.

The owners of this site have probably set up their business model and believe that the end result of the draconian measures that they are taking will result in a profitable business. Maybe so. However, there is at least one other possibility and that is that the draconian measures that are taken could end up with the valued and free contributors stopping their contributions (which has already taken place) and result in their leaving in droves (which may actually be taking place). Should this happen, would it be worth my advertising dollars (if I was a SP) to advertise here?

Aside from the banner ad at the top of the forum page, I personally have never seen any supposed ads from the advertisers. There may be a page for that, but who looks ..... I haven't as yet. So what do I get for my bucks as an advertiser? I guess all I get is that my name can be mentioned to what may end up being fewer and fewer times and/or reviews. Is that called a depreciating return on my investment?

My stats for this encounter:

Appearance: 9/10 (site looks good visually)
Value: 5/10 (looks like diminishing returns to me)
Satisfaction: 4/10 (lately nothing here is satisfying)
Price: 10/10 (since it is free)
Repeat: yes, if only to see if the business plan actually works or will there be wholesale changes)

+1
Without a doubt, the most articulate post I have ever read on SP411!
You must be a writer!
Cheers

[Victoria Catherina]

The owners of this site have probably set up their business model and believe that the end result of the draconian measures that they are taking will result in a profitable business. Maybe so. However, there is at least one other possibility and that is that the draconian measures that are taken could end up with the valued and free contributors stopping their contributions (which has already taken place) and result in their leaving in droves (which may actually be taking place). Should this happen, would it be worth my advertising dollars (if I was a SP) to advertise here?

I've been advertising here for 5 years and while in the GTA I get 60% of my clientele from here . The cost of advertising here is very reasonable. I just actually pay to have my banner place back with the new owners .
This site had no moderation for a year , now there new owners and new ladies . And lots of new members , because before no-one could join because the old owner was not here to authorize any new members .

[Fukcdoll]

Firstly, this is not a rant about SP411. I have no first hand knowledge and am not aware of the inner workings of the site. Secondly, my personal needs or rather desires in reading the forum have lately been coming up very short and unsatisfactory.

I am clearly a rather newly approved person but not new to this site or other sites to remain nameless. Before approval, I contributed through PM's wherever I could add something to the general knowledge. Since then, I contribute when I can be helpful.

While I do understand the needs a business requires to sustain itself (that being profit), I have become somewhat put-off by what I see happening. A person was trying to get a Gang Bang (something I am not into) rolling, and immediately "Big Brother" (or Sister) entered the thread and made a comment how rather than trying to get a GB going that included a woman that was not an advertiser, that person would be better served paying the woman's advertising fee, and then the thread was closed period.

Clearly this a YMMV thing and every person is entitled to do what is comfortable (or lucrative) for them. However, what is evident to me in my short time here is that I am seeing fewer and fewer of the reviews from the various reviewers in the past that contributed and I am seeing more and more closed threads then ever before.

While the people in charge should be commended for how they cleaned up what was morphing into what could be described as the 'wild west', it seems that the end result of this clean-up is also the loss of some, if not many, of the fair and honest contributors of the past. I actually have no proof of this 'fair and honest' statement other than when a person I was acquainted with was reviewed, the review was very much what I had experienced as well.

The fact that a person here was trying to get some fellow hobbiests together for a GB is no reason to close the thread because a 'non advertiser's' name was mentioned. Personally, on this particular issue, I really don't care, but what happened and what is happening (or not happening) is more at issue.

The owners of this site have probably set up their business model and believe that the end result of the draconian measures that they are taking will result in a profitable business. Maybe so. However, there is at least one other possibility and that is that the draconian measures that are taken could end up with the valued and free contributors stopping their contributions (which has already taken place) and result in their leaving in droves (which may actually be taking place). Should this happen, would it be worth my advertising dollars (if I was a SP) to advertise here?

Aside from the banner ad at the top of the forum page, I personally have never seen any supposed ads from the advertisers. There may be a page for that, but who looks ..... I haven't as yet. So what do I get for my bucks as an advertiser? I guess all I get is that my name can be mentioned to what may end up being fewer and fewer times and/or reviews. Is that called a depreciating return on my investment?

My stats for this encounter:

Appearance: 9/10 (site looks good visually)
Value: 5/10 (looks like diminishing returns to me)
Satisfaction: 4/10 (lately nothing here is satisfying)
Price: 10/10 (since it is free)
Repeat: yes, if only to see if the business plan actually works or will there be wholesale changes)

Things have changed and many of these changes are for the better. Some of the changes... Only time will tell...
Every new business goes through a period of pruning and perfecting. While this isn't a new business as website, it is a new website for the owners and thus there will be some growing pangs as they test their ideal models against what's valued by their audience.

I wouldn't give up on SP just yet. Definitely let your thoughts be heard and contribute your ideas where ever possible (CHASE is very open to new ideas and suggestions); but don't walk away from a work in progress hun. The finished product may well amaze you, and you might even like it better then before :)


The AD section here is AMAZING 100x better then BP because we can upload more images, and be as descriptive and in depth as we like! If you've not yet seen the ad section, I would invite you to do so because some of the ads are very well put together and intricate.
I personally spend an hour or more on every single ad I post here. BP is so limited, it takes mere minutes, and they're never anything spectacular (IMO).

In December we're also gonna be having a new area added to SP, called 'FEATURES' where advertisers will be profiled, interviewed and showcased, one at a time, 2 different ladies each month! It's very exciting :D


I understand your feelings- I do; but I also understand that the site needs to take a new direction, and will likely hit a few more bumps before it reaches its final mark.
I'm hopeful that things will come together over time, and in time this place will be better then it ever has been.

Here's to hopin'

I am the one who started the thread which you mentioned, and I agree with what the moderator did. I didn't realize that point of view until it was pointed out to me. I have apologized and wont do it again. I can see why they would rather have their own paid advertisers mentioned in getting business. They do not limit which sp's you can review, but can understand they would rather you set up business for those that do business with them. I should also point out that I was not intentionally trying to advertise for her, just wanted to be part of something that has been a fantasy of mine for many years, with someone that I find enjoyable.

There's a few of us here who do Gang Bangs (ahem... me- lol) if you were still looking to set something up through this particular site.
Don't give up your fantasy because you've hit a bump in the road.
Hell bumps in Gang Bang are what it's all about! lol

[Terry43]

I haven't given up LOL I still am trying, and will keep you in mind.

[Walrus07]

....While the people in charge should be commended for how they cleaned up what was morphing into what could be described as the 'wild west', it seems that the end result of this clean-up is also the loss of some, if not many, of the fair and honest contributors of the past. I actually have no proof of this 'fair and honest' ....

The owners of this site have probably set up their business model and believe that the end result of the draconian measures that they are taking will result in a profitable business. Maybe so. However, there is at least one other possibility and that is that the draconian measures that are taken could end up with the valued and free contributors stopping their contributions (which has already taken place) and result in their leaving in droves (which may actually be taking place). Should this happen, would it be worth my advertising dollars (if I was a SP) to advertise here?.....

My stats for this encounter:

Appearance: 9/10 (site looks good visually)
Value: 5/10 (looks like diminishing returns to me)
Satisfaction: 4/10 (lately nothing here is satisfying)
Price: 10/10 (since it is free)
Repeat: yes, if only to see if the business plan actually works or will there be wholesale changes)

A well written review L8guy. You are not the first to express these opinions, others have, and been banned for their "anti-establishment" views. Just as those who posted their agreement have been banned as well, myself included. Many of the longtime members have simply stopped participating. I have logged in only two or maybe three times I believe in the last 4 weeks. I have seen SPs who I could have reviewed, but can't be bothered. They are not 'pink ladies' and I know such reviews are not welcome here. Tolerated in some cases, but definitely not welcome.

My rant over. Have a good weekend, everyone!

[edsmith2008]

The other board accuses the owners here deleting negative reviews from paid advertisers and deleting reviews from non paying girls. How then can we expect to be able to rely on sp411 as an objective review. It seems if you pay to advertise, you get good reviews regardless of quality of service. Can ownership confirm or deny these allegations?

[zoobot]

I am happy with how SP411 functions compared to the red board - not as glitchy when I open it up, and no annoying 60 second delay between searches.

My main issue is that SP411 doesn't get used enough by east end guys (reviews, etc.) compared to the red board. I wouldn't even bother going to their site if there was more content here.

Regarding censorship, it appears that this board is somewhat over-controlled when it comes to posting negative comments about pink ladies or positive comments about other escorts. It should be remembered that tomorrow's advertisers are the unknown BP girls who read posts on this board so making them feel welcome is only a good thing for business. If the board is perceived as a "closed club" with a select group of "pink ladies" these newbies are less likely to become future advertisers IMO.

[CHASE]

I have seen SPs who I could have reviewed, but can't be bothered. They are not 'pink ladies' and I know such reviews are not welcome here. Tolerated in some cases, but definitely not welcome.

The other board accuses the owners here deleting negative reviews from paid advertisers and deleting reviews from non paying girls. How then can we expect to be able to rely on sp411 as an objective review. It seems if you pay to advertise, you get good reviews regardless of quality of service. Can ownership confirm or deny these allegations?

All reviews are welcome it doesn't have to be just from paid advertisers that's just silly.

Of course we encourage you to use our paid advertisers however I understand that the Backpage girls are definitely the future of the board.

If the non paid advertiser SP has a personal website you cannot post it, however you may always post the backpage and redzone links etc.

The only negative reviews/positive that has ever been deleted would be if the advertiser has a No Review Policy or if the reviewer had a side agenda and was harassing the SP in question thread in thread out.

While it's true there's are about 15 to 20 troublemaking members from the past that have been banned with 1000+ post counts, we have welcomed just shy of 4000 new members/rookie prospects in a matter of 3 1/2 months since the new administration have taken over.

At time of writing, there is 19,927 members, check back on Monday morning it will be over 20,000

The rookie prospects are very active as you can see there are many questions/reviews threads from new low post count members. This is the future of SP411 and give it a year you will definitely see a huge difference for the better.

[Walrus07]

All reviews are welcome it doesn't have to be just from paid advertisers that's just silly.

And yet we see time and time again threads locked because a reviewed lady is not pink, and the mod basically trying to bully the lady into paying to be pink, using a phrase similar to "PM Chase to get this thread unlocked when you are pink" or words to that effect. Just sayin' ;)

[The PeaceKeeper]

And yet we see time and time again threads locked because a reviewed lady is not pink, and the mod basically trying to bully the lady into paying to be pink, using a phrase similar to "PM Chase to get this thread unlocked when you are pink" or words to that effect. Just sayin' ;)

The threads can go on for pages and pages weeks and weeks months and months if the SP does not show up.

There is no bullying, I am very polite and I am doing what's best for business.

Every review board has rules to keep everyone in check so this does not become the Wild West once again, this is the procedure that the administration has chosen to implement at this time.

[the ugly truth]

The only negative reviews/positive that has ever been deleted would be if the advertiser has a No Review Policy or if the reviewer had a side agenda and was harassing the SP in question thread in thread out.

Explain the reviews of Josy after she left The Office. Or that recent review of Lily.

[golforge]

At the risk of a hand slap or outright ban, Chase and The Peacekeeper need to get on the same page. Both your posts seem completely contradictory. As a result, most of us have NO IDEA what the rules actually are anymore.

So, can a review go up and be left alone if it's a non-paying member, or not. Can you not simply suggest they become a paying member, outline whatever benefits you feel they accrue as a result, and NOT lock the thread or close it down?

[CHASE]

Explain the reviews of Josy after she left The Office. Or that recent review of Lily.

Welcome back the ugly truth:)

The Office has a No Review Policy. Please explain in full detail your concerns.

[CHASE]

So, can a review go up and be left alone if it's a non-paying member, or not. Can you not simply suggest they become a paying member, outline whatever benefits you feel they accrue as a result, and NOT lock the thread or close it down?

Yes, however when the SP in question comes on board to try and help her cause in the review then it will be locked until she is in Pink.

[rebel13]

The rookie prospects are very active as you can see there are many questions/reviews threads from new low post count members. This is the future of SP411 and give it a year you will definitely see a huge difference for the better.

With all due respect CHASE perhaps there is a way that the rookie prospects can be told about the "search function" and/or told how to use it. The vast majority of the rokkie activity IMHO is "any info on this one" or somethng to that effect and when a quick search is done there are a few threads there about the lady. Not always but a lot of the time.
It would also perhaps stop the vets from making comments that the rookies don't like about lack of looking for info themselves and then claiming they (the rookies) won't post because of said comments.
Just my two cents for what it's worth.

[the ugly truth]

Welcome back the ugly truth:)

The Office has a No Review Policy. Please explain in full detail your concerns.

Thanks for the welcome CHASE. :)

If The Office has an NRP, I should really let you go first to explain the reviews here of Kelly, Mazy, Mony, etc. It was fine to review Josy while she was with this agency. After she left for another agency, these earlier reviews were deleted. Can we expect the same when anyone leaves The Office?

[northwellguy]

Thanks for the welcome CHASE. :)

If The Office has an NRP, I should really let you go first to explain the reviews here of Kelly, Mazy, Mony, etc.

That's easy......
If the review is positive then The Office is OK
If the review is negative then The Office has a NRP

[CHASE]

That's easy......
If the review is positive then The Office is OK
If the review is negative then The Office has a NRP

To be honest I have deleted positive reviews about the office. I will be checking out in regards to what the ugly truth has posted!

[edsmith2008]

From my perspective, as long as the reviews here are credible and objective, I'm good with it. It would seem to me, if I was a paid advertiser, competing with other paid advertisers, I would not like the credibility of my positive reviews be tarnished by the market(that's us) questioning the legitimacy of it. When management deletes negative reviews, I have got to question the objectivity of the entire board. Once management loses our trust, then we won't trust even the positive reviews